The evidence continues to indicate that when students in education and employees in organizations are disengaged, which is more often the case, it's in part because their teachers and leaders aren't prepared to make engagement occur. I would propose that in order to give them more training, which takes them away from their roles, it's a matter of practical necessity to make learning and work more self-directed, which usually works well anyway. This frees up the necessary time for effective training and ongoing development. Until engagement scores in both contexts get into the 90s, is would suggest training happens around a quarter of their time as teachers and leaders. It's that vital and it isn't going to happen by less than strongly engaging teachers and leaders.